thorn/fibre needles preference question

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thorn/fibre needles preference question

Postby rgodridge » 27 Aug 2017, 21:21

Those of you who use thorne or cactus needles, what records do you think they sound best on?
I've read a lot about people using them on orchestral records, but for me it slitely muddies up the sound and I think they're best on 20s and early 30s jazz in good condition, or acoustically recorded stuff opera especially.
am I picking the wrong records or do some of you agree?
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Re: thorn/fibre needles preference question

Postby Gmemg » 28 Aug 2017, 19:54

Most fibre needles are better with Acoustic records which are not too worn as the points are quite fragile and can wear down considerably with even the slightest record wear - electrical records with their heavy passages can also wreck a fibre needle quite quickly if the soundbox angle is too steep - it's all a matter or personal judgement really
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Re: thorn/fibre needles preference question

Postby rgodridge » 29 Aug 2017, 14:39

very good point about the angle, I hadn't thought of that!
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Re: thorn/fibre needles preference question

Postby Gmemg » 31 Aug 2017, 08:43

Also if you are playing an electrically recorded record with a fibre needle then a long needle with the soundbox set at a shallow angle is the only way to do it
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Re: thorn/fibre needles preference question

Postby rgodridge » 31 Aug 2017, 12:54

I like the angle steep for acoustic records as it does decrease the surface noise, but it really doesn't work for electric records as I've found to my cost!
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Re: thorn/fibre needles preference question

Postby Gmemg » 31 Aug 2017, 21:42

How strange that's how i use them and it works fine for me
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Re: thorn/fibre needles preference question

Postby rgodridge » 01 Sep 2017, 01:13

Well as you say it can break down quicker, or that's what I'm experiencing with them.
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Re: thorn/fibre needles preference question

Postby MissMySwiss » 02 Sep 2017, 19:10

I'd say if all the conditions for their optimal use (smooth and level motor, clean record, no mechanical strain on the needle aka autobrake off, or anything preventing lateral freedom) are reached they'll give you a more natural and better sound. In spite of that they might tend to break, specially if the record is worn. You can dope and dry them to make them stronger, and if you're not afraid of mess you can lubricate the record with wax or with graphite powder. But you'll have to admit that wood needles won't be universal.
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Re: thorn/fibre needles preference question

Postby Gmemg » 03 Sep 2017, 21:56

Fibre needles of all types are made from natural materials and vary enormously - know of people who have played up to 20 sides with the same needle without sharpening it but these really are exceptions
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