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Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby HMV130 » 13 Dec 2013, 15:32

Lately I am looking for a HMV No.102 (the model with the automatic brake universal No.5), or No.102A No.102B in external and internal ORIGINAL mint condition.
If someone is willing to sell I am willing to agree to a very good price!
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby MissMySwiss » 13 Dec 2013, 17:12

Too bad you look for one just now ! I saw a seller who had two really mint machines on ebay UK last month.

But you shouldn't bother it's a fairly common machine you'll find one sooner or later :)
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby HMV130 » 13 Dec 2013, 18:16

You're right, but what I really want is the first model 102. The first model 102 was equipped with the No.5 universal brake which allow to stop the motor without pre setting and without the record run-out groove. This model only sold for one year from 1931 to 1932 because was soon replaced with the Model No.102A with brake No.6 (less issues and more simple) .. It is therefore the least common of 102 produced.

A first 102 is currently for sale on eBay but it is not in perfect condition.
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby MissMySwiss » 13 Dec 2013, 21:29

Mmh I know I have one like you say ! It was my first machine ! And it seems that is has been made abroad as some parts aren't the same as the english ones ... Speed control is reveted and the handle can't be replaced if broken as holders aren't screwed but instead "bent" in the wood. The original spring was also stamped "Pakawa". The factory I guess ...

The n°5 brake may stop the record without pre-setting, though I must admit I never use it because it always has a tendency to block fibre needles at some point and break them so I disconnect it.

I may test it as you say to check if it's so reliable ... You can easily make it more or less sensitive to movement to make it more precise when to stop, but I don't know if it always works so well.
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby MissMySwiss » 13 Dec 2013, 21:40

Here it is. My first love :3

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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby HMV130 » 13 Dec 2013, 22:00

Very nice although I prefer and am looking for an black example with faux wood motor board. You say that the brake is too unstable for fibre needles? Have you ever tried it? And what parts are different from the English version?
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby MissMySwiss » 13 Dec 2013, 22:32

HMV130 wrote:Very nice although I prefer and am looking for an black example with faux wood motor board. You say that the brake is too unstable for fibre needles? Have you ever tried it? And what parts are different from the English version?


Mmh I see. Maybe you'll find one in France. They mostly have older examples of 102's.

Well the brake isn't exactly unstable but it's constitution is so that there is a short long "arm" on the tonearm base that goes into a certain metallic path conectet to the brake mechanism and on a point requires more strength from the needle to make it's way and it's ok with steel needles but with fibres the soliicitation is too great and it breaks the point. It has taken me months to notice it was THAT that broke my fibres xD
That's why now I disconnect it, but it won't allow me to play particularly long recordings / or smaller records whose recordings go nearer to the spindle.

Well as said before the main difference is the speed indicator being riveted in the board instead of screwed. The motor as well is a 271 D which isn't the most common one I guess, and the chrome holders of the handle (the squares) aren't screwed inside the case but instead have been put inside freely and the hit and bent to hold in the case. That's no main difference but makes me wonder where it was made ... The strangest thing is that it has a Harrod's tin plaque (as a seller's plaque)
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby MissMySwiss » 13 Dec 2013, 22:34

So honestly if you want a collectable HMV 102 go for an earlier like this but if you want a easy to use and realiable portable that will work with both fibres and steel needles easily go for one with the Columbia auto-brake I'd say.
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby HMV130 » 13 Dec 2013, 23:22

Indeed, for this reason I have also listed the models A or B :)
Anyway, you're right, the first 102 should have 271C motor not D and now that I think about it, my HMV 114 colonial has the chrome holders of the handle not screwed inside the case but they are stuck with some metal tabs.
Maybe you're is a colonial model?
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby MissMySwiss » 14 Dec 2013, 09:50

Well, it may be but the why was it sold by Harrod's in London ? Usually they were sold in a colony isn't it ?
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby HMV130 » 14 Dec 2013, 13:31

Right, I had not read Harrod's .. but who knows? :?
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby MissMySwiss » 22 Dec 2013, 17:43

It's no bargain but there is the one you're looking for.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HMV-102-Porta ... 2a3574a8c6
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby HMV130 » 22 Dec 2013, 17:55

HMV130 wrote: A first 102 is currently for sale on eBay but it is not in perfect condition.


Thanks for reporting, but I had already seen it :)
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby MissMySwiss » 24 Dec 2013, 13:04

HMV130 wrote:
HMV130 wrote: A first 102 is currently for sale on eBay but it is not in perfect condition.


Thanks for reporting, but I had already seen it :)


Another with the Columbia autobrake, but the same finish I guess. Much less expensive too.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OLD-GRAMAPHON ... 4618084d72
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby HMV130 » 24 Dec 2013, 13:26

Thanks for reporting, but I decided to wait for one in better condition. :)
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby MissMySwiss » 24 Dec 2013, 17:23

Ok ^_^ Looks allright to me. You're really looking for a mint one !
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby simo » 25 Dec 2013, 08:44

MissMySwiss wrote:Ok ^_^ Looks allright to me. You're really looking for a mint one !

have to agree,looks alright to me as well.....a bit of tlc,cleaning and maintenance and i think it would be up there.good luck with your search.
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby MissMySwiss » 05 Jan 2014, 09:54

Don't know if you're still loking for one but here's an early 1931 example available in France. After a little cleaning it should be very well.

http://www.ebay.fr/itm/ANTIQUE-gramopho ... 54031affd2
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby Gmemg » 05 Jan 2014, 10:02

That looks well worth buying BUT for most HMV Buyers it has to be "HMV" and not "la Voix de son Maitre" or any other Continental variant - it's so silly & snobbish but that's their attitude

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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby MissMySwiss » 05 Jan 2014, 13:40

Mmh I didn't think of this ^^ As my native language is french it doesn't bother me.
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Re: Wanted: HMV No.102

Postby HMV130 » 05 Jan 2014, 14:26

Sorry for the delay, but I have not received the email notifications .. anyway, thanks for the report.

As the Colonel said I'm too silly and snobbish!

One in mint condition is on sale on eBay.co.uk but the seller is not willing to send the gramophone outside the UK. What I can do, therefore, is to focus on other pieces to add to my collection, such as the HMV No.101 brown crocodile that soon I will restore.
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